The formula Trinitarians can not do: ts by Tim Sauder on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 at 10:29pm

The formula Trinitarians can’t do:
1.The son is the Father
Isa.9:6
2.The Father is the Holy Spirit
John 4:23
3.The Holy Spirit is the Son
Rom.8:9
4.The Son is the Holy Spirit
2 Cor.3:17
5.The Spirit is the Father
Zech. 4:6
6.The Father is the Son
Zech. 12:10
1.  The Son is the Father
Isa.9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
John 14:9-10… He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?  Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me?
Col.1:19 For God (Yahweh) was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
John 17:22 The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
John 10:38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.”
2.  The Father is the Holy Spirit:
John 4:23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Zechariah 4:6 Then he said to me, “This is the word of Yahweh  to Zerubbabel saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says Yahweh of Armies.
John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
3.  The Holy Spirit is the Son:
John 16:7 "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
Romans 8:9   However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
2 Corinthians 3:17  Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Acts 16:7… and after they came to Mysia, they were trying to go into Bithynia, and the Spirit of Jesus did not permit them;
Galatians 4:6  Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

4.  The Son is the Holy Spirit:
John 16:7 "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
Romans 8:9   However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
2 Corinthians 3:17  Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
5.  The Spirit is the Father:
John 15:26 “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, Romans 8:9   However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
2 Corinthians 3:17  Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
John 4:23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
6.  The Father is the Son:
Zechariah 12:8-10
 In that day Yahweh will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Messenger of Yahweh before them. 9 And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
John 8:42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me.
Isaiah 63:8-10
 For He said, “Surely, they are My people,
Sons who will not deal falsely.”
So He became their Savior.
9 In all their affliction He was afflicted,
And the Messenger of His presence saved them;
In His love and in His mercy He redeemed them,
And He lifted them and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they rebelled
And grieved His Holy Spirit;
Therefore He turned Himself to become their enemy,
He fought against them. (He, himself, him, My, all refer to Yahweh our God)
Conclusion:
It becomes clear that there is only one logical interpretation for this easy rotation of the triune nature of god in our symbol, and that is that He is one person, or a united form of being father, son and Holy Spirit.  Just plain one.



The Father is both Son and Holy Spirit because all are one.
The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Jesus, the Spirit of his son, the Spirit of Yahweh comes into our hearts to draw us to himself because he is also considered the Father. If Jesus said the Father was the spirit then it  is logical to say the Spirit is the Father. It is also logical to say Jesus is the Father as well as the Son.
Galatians 3:20
Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one.
James 2:19
 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one!

Both Trinitarians agree that Yahweh is the Father and Yahweh is God and that Jesus is Yahweh. Only Trinitarians have a problem with saying this because all are one in the bible.
Yahweh is the Father
Isaiah 63:16  But you are our Father,  though Abraham does not know us  or Israel acknowledge us; you, Yahweh, are our Father,  our Redeemer from of old is your name.
I think you can see that fallacy of believing the trinity doctrine as three separate persons. It is just not in the bible in any form.